I think this all sounds fine.

Related to the SIG desires to have face time with developers, I have some more information. The theme that has come up is how decisions are made and seemingly unmade. Speaking with Kristin Martin, there have been these occasions where a SIG thinks everyone has agreed to how something is to be implemented and someething slightly different is implemented. It's often hard to go back and find documentation of a decision that was made, the devs get blamed for deciding something different than what the SIG agreed to, and the SIG doesn't know whether what they are seeing is an un-making of their decision or maybe on step along the way. Maybe this is just the Agile process and the SIGs need to have different expectation, hard to say without specifics. But whatever is going on seems to be a source of frustration. 

I think this is worth raising with the PC Executive (though I'm unsatisfied with the preceding writeup). If this is a common impression it may well point to a process problem, some repeated miscommunications, conflicting norms, or something similar.

-Tod

On Apr 9, 2019, at 12:15 PM, Michael Gunning <mgunning@ebsco.com> wrote:

As I mentioned at the morning meeting, another consideration is we would like to get EPAM leads involved where makes sense, they’re a significant contributor to the dev community now.  If it’s in the US, we’ll generally need 4-6 weeks to arrange travel Visas.  Can be done, just takes a little extra time and money.  If we consider another location such as somewhere in Europe we may do this without the time and expense of arranging Visas.
 
Mike Gunning
VP Development - EBSCO Information Services
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From: Vincent Bareau <vbareau@EBSCO.COM>
Date: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 12:56 PM
To: "tech-council@ole-lists.openlibraryfoundation.org" <tech-council@ole-lists.openlibraryfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: Message to PC about June Meeting
 
It looks fine to me. 

Initially, I wondered if given that of the three reasons two are resolvable, it might seem an invitation to resolve them. But I don't think it's the case. 

One suggested small change might be to state explicitly that TC members would be available for (non TC) discussions.


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On 2019-04-09 11:02, Mike Gorrell wrote:
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Any other comments before I send to the ExecPC group? 
 
-mdg
 


On Apr 8, 2019, at 2:54 PM, Zak Burke <zburke@cornell.edu> wrote:
 
Mike,  
 
This sounds good to me. In particular, I think the emphasis on the lack of community-wide development issues in the 'what? no developers?!?' section is good. In fact, it should be comforting as it suggests the foundation is already solidly built and we've already dealt with most of the "How are we going to build...?" questions and now the work is to actually go build it.
 
This is not to say there are no open questions -- I can think of several related to localization, optimistic locking, data synchronization across micro-services -- but as you said, we need to identify these themes well in advance, plan the dates well in advance and away from quarterly deadlines, and figure out who the key players and decision makers are so we can either (a) get them in a room together to make the plan or (b) having made a plan, have them present it to the rest of the developer community. 
 
Zak
 
 
 
On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 5:28 PM Mike Gorrell <mdg@indexdata.com> wrote:
Please provide feedback on this message to the PC:

The Tech Council met and discussed the FOLIO Working Meeting in June. The consensus was that it would not be productive to send developers to this meeting for a few reasons:
        • There aren’t enough topics defined that warrant face to face interaction. While face to face meetings are inherently valuable they come with a cost
        • In order to justify the expense of bringing developers together it was felt that we need to have an agenda that would contain hours worth of sessions that:
                • Present detailed information on new directions/techniques/technologies/patterns that would impact a wide portion of the developer community
                • Put forth pros/cons of open issues and allow some level of debate but ending with a decision
                • Provide educational content/presentations that are applicable to the FOLIO developer community
        • Timing-wise, this might be the worst possible week to have this meeting; our first “Go-live” release will be in its final sprint which will require close attention and quick action on any defects or issues that arise. We can’t jeopardize the July 1 release.

For these reasons we recommend that no developers attend the meeting. If anyone is needed for a particular session we should use Zoom to connect them into the meeting. There may be a few individuals that are important for enough meetings that they might consider attending.

The Tech Council did see value in meeting to review its charter, processes, long term tech roadmap, etc. Our ideas for meetings have been added to the master list.

Note that we discussed how other developer meetings are valuable. We recommend the project consider the follow approach:
1) Set the dates well in advance
2) Schedule mid-quarter (most disruptive at the beginning/end of each quarter). This means February, May, August or November.
3) Establish a theme for each meeting
4) Solicit papers/topics/etc. well in advance
5) Run the meeting much like tech conferences - themes/tracks/etc - focus on learning and presentations 

Please let us know if you have questions or comments.

-mdg
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