Hi David. Fine calculations are controlled elsewhere. The Fee/Fine Overdue Fine Policies is where you set if closed days should/shouldn’t be included in fine calculations for overdue items. I have attached the most recent iteration of Overdue Fine Policies for you to take a look at. We’ll be getting back to this again in early 2019—Chalmers doesn’t charge overdue fines so we have been focusing on patron blocks and other features instead. Please let me know if you have any more questions about this.

Best,

Holly

From: folio-ra@ole-lists.openlibraryfoundation.org <folio-ra@ole-lists.openlibraryfoundation.org> On Behalf Of David W. Bottorff
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Just a clarification question about this. Does this logic also cover fine calculations or are those controlled elsewhere? One might want an item to be given a due date of the next open day, but might want to separately control whether closed days are included in fine calculations for overdue items.

For example, if a library is closed on Monday and Tuesday but opens Wednesday, and a patron returns an item on Wednesday that was due Saturday, is the item considered 4 days overdue (Sun-Wed) or 2 days overdue (Sun, Wed) in terms of calculating the overdue fine?

Best,

David

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Hi Andrea,

In retrospect, I think I misunderstood your "in both cases" comment. Did you mean in either mid-day close or regular scenarios, rather that short or long term loans? I was thinking that we were only looking at offsets for short term loans now. Is that correct?

Thanks and sorry for the confusion.

Sean

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Thanks Andrea! Understood on the 'offset' capability in either long-term/short-term scenarios.

Sean

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Hi Sean,

I think this is a terrific idea and would love to see it happen. In both cases we’d still want the ability to offset the ‘next open hours/day’ option.

BTW – we have had at least one library represented in the SIG mention closing mid-day and I imagine it would happen with some frequency at small and special collection locations.

Thank you,

Andrea

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Hi David,

> “Keep the current due date/time”

Yes, I was thinking the same thing actually. Thanks for the quick response!

Sean

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This seems like a fruitful direction, though we don’t have the specific need of mid-day closed hours, clearly separating long and short erms loans seems useful more generally.

One small suggestion in terms of language, for short term loans, the pulldown should read “Keep the current due date/time” rather than simply “Keep the current due date” as that further clarifies the difference between long and short term loans.

Best,

David

From: folio-ra@ole-lists.openlibraryfoundation.org [mailto:folio-ra@ole-lists.openlibraryfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Sean Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 10:21 AM
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Subject: Questions about short-term loans

Hi RA-SIG,

When we reviewed the slides for Closed Library Due Date Management (CLDDM) scenarios for Loan Policies, we stopped short of talking specifically about certain short-term loans (i.e., loan intervals in hours or minutes) scenarios. In considering the nature of these loans, I'm wondering if a rule-based selection list for long- vs. short-term loans makes sense. I'm also wondering about a scenario that might drive a rewording of the 'Move to the beginning of the next open day' option.

Given that service points may have closed hours mid-day (valid?), it seems likely that if short-term loans become due during that mid-day closed window, you'd likely rather have the loan become due when the service point reopens the same day, rather than the beginning of the next open day. Is this true? Here's an example:

- Service point A hours: 8AM-11:30AM; 1:30PM-11:30PM (i.e., closed 2 hrs mid-day)

- Given a 2hr loan made at 11:00AM, it's due time would be 1PM during the closed window

- It seems likely that you'd want the item back a 1:30 the same day when the service point reopens (opening time offset notwithstanding) rather than 8AM the next morning.

If that is the case, we'll want to include that logic in the due-time calculations to ensure that the system respects multiple open-hour periods in a day.

Also, given the different nature of due date/time for long-term vs. short term, it seems like it might be beneficial to change how the Loan Policy form behaves under these different loan intervals. Here is how we're thinking about this:

1) - Long-term loans (loan intervals = Days|Weeks|Months)

- CLDDM pull-down:

- Keep the current due date

- Move to the end of the previous open day

- Move to the end of the next open day

- Move to the end of the current day

2) - Short-term loans (loan intervals = Minutes|Hours)

- CLDDM pull-down:

- Keep the current due date

- Move to the end of the current service point hours

- Move to the beginning of the next open service point hours

Hopefully, we can get a chance to discuss this during tomorrow's meeting. That said, can you let me know if I'm on the right track here? If so, I would like to get any UI work queued up for the developers and preview these possible changes at an earlier dev meeting tomorrow.

Thanks.

Sean

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